What It’s Like to Be…a Cattle Rancher

Raising cattle in the high desert, hauling calves to auction, and protecting the herd from mountain lions with Chachi Hawkins, a cattle rancher in southwest Texas. How did she go from selling clothes to selling cattle? And does she ever get attached to particular calves?

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About What It’s Like to Be…
In each episode of What It’s Like to Be…, bestselling author Dan Heath speaks with someone about what it’s like to walk in their (work) shoes. Behavioral Scientist serves as a distribution partner with episodes released every other week. Learn more about the podcast’s mission of “slow curiosity” here.


The “Cattle Rancher” episode of What It’s Like To Be… featured Chachi Hawkins. It was produced and edited by Matt Purdy. Copyright © 2024 by Dan Heath. All rights reserved.